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Baréh 53:
== Action ==
So what next? First, can we move the page title (from [[Wikipedia:Pool on Sharia Law in Acehnese Wikipedia]]) to something more appropriate with the dicussion, i.e. [[Wikipedia:Policy on awrah images in Acehnese Wikipedia]] (or the equivalent in Acehnese)? Second, since this only affect Acehnese Wikipedia, I will reconsider my vote as long as the other editors (other than Si Gam) agree on the aforementioned consequences (i.e. no image of most woman/their picture have to be heavily cropped, among other consequences). Third, I'm not sure about what the word "reactivate" means. Are you asking for your admin rights back? Under which account? What do you have to say about your past actions, and how "reactivating" Acehnese Wikipedia under this "condition" will make any change in your future actions towards other Wikipedias? Salam. [[Ureuëng Nguy:Bennylin|Bennylin]] 25 Buleuën Duwa Blah 2011 05.21 (UTC)
: I do have a quick question - On Aceh does the law distinguish between non-Muslim women and Muslim women, i.e. Muslim women would be asked to cover their heads, while western women would not? Or do the Acehnese authorities ask all women to cover their heads? [[Ureuëng Nguy:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 25 Buleuën Duwa Blah 2011 08.51 (UTC)
:: Actually that question also applies to non-western non-Muslim, i.e. Indonesian from other religious belief. Recently, in a probably related incident, a group of punk kids in Aceh were "re-educated" by the authorities, including shaving their heads bald. Now, I think most of them are men, and if there was any women, I didn't hear anything about them, but since they constitute "different belief", i.e. different from locals, they were forced to follow the local custom, and even the police feel the need to maintain the specialness of the province. So I think that answers your question. But again, the Acehnese Wikipedia is meant for all editors of this language background from all around the world, not fixated in any geographical region. [[Ureuëng Nguy:Bennylin|Bennylin]] 27 Buleuën Duwa Blah 2011 17.46 (UTC)
Baréh 121:
::Thanks. [[Ureuëng Nguy:Bennylin|Bennylin]] 16 Buleuën Sa 2012 09.36 (UTC)
: [[Ureuëng Nguy:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 16 Buleuën Sa 2012 06.43 (UTC)
: Also, Si
I don't think name calling (liar, lying, and so forth) is going to move this discussion forward, so please everyone refrain from doing so. Hercule, if you could please not treating Gam as a native English speaker (he's [[Ureuëng_Nguy:Si_Gam_Acèh|en-2]]), so not all his intentions are reflected on what he wrote. Imagine if you have to hold a discussion not in your native tongue, some intention will lost in translation. So I'm asking everyone here, before you drop another name calling, please ask and clarify what they mean. ''Gam, kalau Anda membutuhkan kata-kata yang lebih baik dan merasa lebih mampu menggunakan bahasa Indonesia untuk berdiskusi, saya bersedia menerjemahkan komentar Anda dari bahasa Indonesia ke bahasa Inggris''. (I'm offering a translation service to Gam). And Gam, unless there's an explicit policy on who can vote (like [[:id:Wikipedia:Proposal kebijakan dan pedoman#Prosedur konsensus]]), then you don't have the right to say who can't vote either. FYI, only Naval and me from id.wp and the whole Indonesia who are helping to mediate this discussion, because Aceh is still part of Indonesia and Wikipedia bahasa Aceh is a sister project of Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia. I believe we both wanted to see ace.wp back alive (as I noted above I'm willing to reconsider my vote, if I see some changes in the general attitude), so we're the closest thing you have as an ally outside ace.wp. Please don't treat us as your enemies. Lastly, please refrain on doing any edits until this discussion is resolved.
Baréh 142:
:::I understand it is about what the Acehnese speakers, the clientele of ACE, desire in their edition. I am curious to see what precedent the literature has established. Some Wikipedias are quite revolutionary in that they are making literature from languages that previously had little published literature, and I find that quite fascinating :) - The Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia comes to mind. [[Ureuëng Nguy:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[Marit Ureuëng Nguy:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 11 Buleuën Lhèë 2012 04.52 (UTC)
::::There is no newspaper, magazine, bulletin or other regular publications in Acehnese language. -- [[Ureuëng Nguy:Si Gam|Si Gam]] ([[Marit Ureuëng Nguy:Si Gam|talk]]) 12 Buleuën Lhèë 2012 16.26 (UTC)
Well, I guess if there's no more comment, I propose to close this discussion with the following result:
*Acehnese Wikipedia will follow the proposed policy (i.e. Acehnese Wikipedia will not display images that display ''awrah''), with the possibility in the future that the voting page will be reopened, if the user base has grown and the voting page being done in Acehnese language instead of English.
**A separate policy page, I suggest in three languages (Acehnese, Indonesian, and English, with Acehnese title obviously), with a link to this comment/voting page will be made after this voting page has been closed. Only after such page exist that this policy can be implemented.
***The policy page should contain a guide to allow people re-uploading an ''awrah'' image after being edited. (i.e. it should have step-by-step guide so that even people who don't have the basic picture-editing skill would be able to do it.)
**All remaining pages with pictures that didn't meet this criteria will need to change their pictures, or go without picture.
**Future editors who unknowingly added an image which doesn't comply with this policy will be directed to this page (or the policy page).
**Everything else that hasn't been discussed in this page will be discussed in a separate page.
*As for the editors that wished to be reinstated as local admin: Si Gam (previously user Si Gam Acèh), while the request doesn't have anything to do directly with this voting page, the closing moderator suggest that based on previous months' interaction, the editors who wishes to become admin of Acehnese Wikipedia should go through normal voting process, and for those who were previously desysopped should explicitly stated that after their rights as user and admin has been returned, they will not disrupt other projects anymore.
**The editor would need to go as Si Gam (instead of Si Gam Acèh), since the former account has been blocked on several projects.
Closing moderator, acting as steward of Meta. [[Ureuëng Nguy:Bennylin|Bennylin]] ([[Marit Ureuëng Nguy:Bennylin|bicara]]) 12 Buleuën Lhèë 2012 18.31 (UTC)
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